The Focus Group
Brunonia Barry on Mar 10 2011 | Filed under: REAL WORLD
For the last six years, I have been part of a writing group. There are only three of us, and I think the world of them, but I don’t show them my works in progress, not anymore. I share ideas, details I find challenging, thematic issues. I give them copies of my manuscript only after I’ve completed a second draft when I’m relatively certain of the characters and the plot.
I have a good reason for holding back. First impressions are indelible. With few exceptions, I think it is almost impossible for someone to reread a manuscript and see it clearly, to pick up the subtle changes between drafts. It’s a lot to ask of any reader, let alone one who has become a friend. I don’t ask, and I don’t think you should either.
So what do you do? Where do you go for a fresh read? The next logical stop seems to be friends and family. I do this often, and it can be helpful, but I wonder if you ever get an objective reading from people who know you well. Sometimes it works, but I don’t think it’s optimal.
What you really need is a focus group. In the same way that other industries test products, you need to test your story. You need to find out what works, what is clear, what confuses or repeats. Would readers root for your protagonist? Do the characters arc? It’s important to answer these questions before you put your book out there for real, because the same single reading rule applies in the marketplace. Agents and editors are not likely to reread your manuscript. You’ll be very lucky if they read it once.
So where do you find this focus group? My recommendation? Look to your local book clubs. They have everything you need: members who love to read and discuss books and plenty of frank opinions.
I found my first book club through my local independent bookstore. I asked the manager if any of the book clubs they worked with might be willing to help out a fledgling author. This was a store I’d shopped at for years, so I wasn’t just someone off the street asking for a huge favor. The manager wanted to think about it and promised to get back to me. A week or so later, I received a call. She had found me a book club. I thanked her, made copies of my book, handed them out, and waited a month while the group read.
I hosted the book club meeting at my house. They were a great group, one that had been together for over ten years. They were accustomed to frank discussions of the books they read, but this was new to them. As our conversation began, it became obvious that the biggest challenge I was going to have was to get them to be as honest and opinionated as I needed them to be. These were nice people. They didn’t want to hurt my feelings.
I stopped the discussion. “I am so flattered to hear this,” I said. “Of course I want to know what works, but what would help me most would be to hear what doesn’t work. I need you to be brutally honest.”
Their polite comments were soon replaced by remarks that really helped. Within minutes, I was being told everything that was wrong with the book. Where they agreed, I took copious notes. Where they disagreed, it became even more interesting. I was able to listen as they argued the points of my story. I learned which characters my readers empathized with, and which ones were not yet fully developed on the page. I realized that I had to simplify my timeline and draw a clearer contrast between past and present, because the story jumped back and forth too often for the readers to follow.
I had a prepared list of questions I wanted to ask, and at the end of their regular discussion, we went through that list. I asked about character, about pacing and consistency. But there was one question that was more helpful than any other, and it is one I encourage you to try: “Where did you stop reading and put the manuscript down?” There are points that lag in every story. You have to know what those points are, because they may not be as obvious to you as they are to a reader. I had always joked that one of my goals with the book was to keep my readers from sleeping. At what point did these women decide they needed some well-deserved rest?
You might assume that rest would come at different times for different readers, depending on their schedules and how long they’d been reading. This wasn’t the case. Almost every reader stopped reading at the same points throughout the story. For the most part, these were not my intended breaks in the story, they were places that needed rewriting.
I tested the book with three different book club focus groups before I felt it was ready for the world. Each one taught me something important, and I am grateful to all of them for their generous help. I think we all enjoyed our collaboration, and when the book was finally published, they passed the word to other clubs.
Whether you decide to use the focus group approach or not, I urge you try your work out on many readers before you set it free. As writers, we often fall in love with our creations and see our characters only as we intend them to be. Since our stories exist as much in the minds of our readers as they do on the page, getting a glimpse into the reader’s POV is a valuable and necessary insight. A good reality check in service of our work is one of the best things we can do.
Who do you ask to read your work? Have you ever tried the focus group approach?
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This is a terrific idea! I’m always trying to find beta readers and yes, it’s counterproductive to hand out the same revised novel to the same group over and over. I love the book club focus group idea.
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Great idea! I wore out my sister on my first novel. By the time I had her reading the 5th rewrite of some parts her eyes were starting to glaze over. So I got her to admit that she really thought she would be more help when I was farther along. Plus-I started to have a hard time explaining to her why I was NOT going to follow her suggestions-the story, after all, was mine. Not OURS. With the second novel I have bounced the story line off her but I haven’t asked her to read anything. Your idea of a ‘focus’ group is a good one. Thanks.
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Jangle,
I know what you mean about people thinking the story is theirs. If you don’t like a piece of advice, it puts you in a strange position with people you know well.
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What a fascinating strategy. I love my critique group, and we are more traditional in terms of sharing work in progress, but repeated/revised material does present a huge challenge. If you’ve seen a previous draft, you can’t unsee it. Fresh eyes are a must.
Thanks for sharing this!
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Thanks, Jael. Your book group sounds like a good one. Mine is helpful, as well, but not in the traditional way.
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Wow,
In my locality / city it is not so easy to find a book club. Well whatever, I will try to create a focus club for myself (though I started writing just few days back)
It was cool of the club, the manager and everyone out there to help you dear. Feeling good and will be ready to help any aspiring writers like myself
with warm regards
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Abhishek,
It was very nice of everyone who helped. I owe them a huge debt of gratitude. It is my experience that people like to be involved in the process, especially if they can help.
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You are absolutely right! before word press, only a handful of friends seriously sat down and read my stories! I thank them with all my heart but to go bigger!!! A writer needs a massive audience!!! I would love to do the focus group thing. Either they will like it or puke over it, at least I’ll be having a feedback to improve myself further.
M afraid where I live, people don’t have book clubs. I wonder if bloggers here would like to form one?
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Hi Khanum,
While I have a writer’s critique group, I’d love to form a focus group. I’m doing my second edit as we speak and would like some feedback. If you get more response, let me know and count me in.
Leigh
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Khanum,
Taking this idea on line would work very well, I think.
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Jael, I like your insight, ‘once you’ve seen a draft, you can’t unsee it’ (paraphrasing).
Bruonia, your subject is a great one and I have never seen it addressed as well as you have. I celebrate your initiative in finding and enrolling your book club. It must be a rare one that would drop whatever their routine to make time/effort to deal with your request. Bravo to you and to them!
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Alex,
These are all very nice people, and they were thrilled to see the book do well. There became part of the process.
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What an intriguing approach! It makes a lot of sense to me to “focus group” a ms after a few drafts, even if writing group colleagues or critique partners have been through earlier drafts. After all, our ultimate goal is to appeal to readers, so why not find out first-hand how they’ll respond before proclaiming the ms done?
Thanks for sharing this technique. It’s one I’ll remember.
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Tracy,
It takes a certain amount of courage to listen to the answers, but then, I think it takes courage to write.
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I belong to three writers groups and I rotate my drafts so no group sees the same work too often. Of course, this means I have a lot of return crits to do but that’s a good learning experience, too.
Finding out where my readers wanted to put the book down is always very useful, too
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Three writer’s groups, Satima. That’s real dedication. It sounds as if the process is working well for you.
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I agree that it is hard to get objective feedback from people you know and love. This is a really good suggestion I would never have considered. Thanks!
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Let me know how it goes, Roxanne.
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What an amazing experience! I think the “where did you set this down?” aspect is the most important. There is a book I was excited to read recently, and it’s on my nightstand now, with a bookmark stuck in the spot where I quit. I’ll probably get back to it, but I don’t feel COMPELLED to do so. It’s a good reminder of how hard it is to regain interest when it flags.
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Donna,
I was surprised that their answers to that question were so consistent. It really helped me a lot.
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Great post! I tried something similar a few years back and ran into the same problem with people not being totally honest. I think they were afraid to hurt my feelings. I also did a live reading and invited people to hear the book read outloud. An actor friend did the reading for me over a few nights. We served refreshments and I sat in the back, very few people knew who I was, and this worked quite well. The feedback was much more honest and hearing it read outloud by somone else helped me pick out problems that I wouldn’t have normally noticed. I like the idea of using book groups. I wonder if it would be worth asking someone to facilitate and record the feedback for you to review later. That way people might be more honest in their feedback. Just a thought. :)
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Heather,
I read all my work aloud. I love the idea of having someone else read it then listening to the discussion. That’s great!
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Hi Brunonia,
I read my stuff outloud as well, but there was something different about hearing it read by someone else. I don’t know if I will do that with other books or not, this moment just happened to line up, right place, right people, right time, but I have started reading into a tape recorder and listening back that way. Not quite as good as someone else reading it, but still works well for me. :) thanks again for a thought provoking post!
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I have a great writing circle, and I give them the manuscript after it’s been through a couple of revisions. We meet every two weeks and present pieces of the work. I get great feedback and the information I need to revise forward.
That means they have seen the book grow over the months. One of the members always asks to read the manuscript when I’m finished and I don’t do it. I know I’ll feel like I have to justify all the advice I didn’t take.
I found a beta reader in Goodreads. This is the first time I’ve done it and she was great.
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Hi Perry,
I didn’t know about the Beta readers. What a good idea!
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Brunonia – First, I loved your novel, “The Lace Reader” and am delighted you have continued with the characters and storyline.
As for beta readers…after I can no longer be objective with my work-in-progress draft, I ask 4 special friends to do a quick read for things/people/plot segments they don’t like…and of course their overall critiques. To make this easier, I give them hard copies to markup.
Then, much later in the process, after I have digested their comments, and made necessary edits and rewrites… I have another 3 friends I ask to go through the same process. I guess they would be the beta readers.
As I have been in workshops – one I really liked – I know the main ingredient is the chemistry of the members.
So good luck. Can’t wait to read The Map of True Places.
Pat
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I belong to a small writer’s group and, yes, you’re right–you only get that one chance for fresh eyes on your story. This is why I work with my group through my chapters, then ask others outside of the group to see the more finished project. I think it works for me because with the writers it’s a give/take situation. Our patience doesn’t wear out because we’re all in the same boat.
I think everyone does this differently, but your idea is a very good one. I’m lucky that I have two different book groups interested in reading my ms, but I’m waiting until it’s as good as I can get it.
Thanks for the thought-provoking post!
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Thanks, Sarah. I used to go chapter by chapter with my book group, but when I started having deadlines, the process was too slow for me. So now I give them completed drafts. Once. I do talk over character bios, and pacing along the way. Just theoretically, but it seems to work.
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I take the same approach! It just seems much more productive to talk about what’s tripping you up, but otherwise saving the reading for when you have a full, once-revised manuscript. My first drafts have too many things hanging out, and I’m usually conscious of them; what I need is for people to tell me what’s not working once I’ve eliminated the obvious problems. I don’t want the group remembering old problems that have been addressed, or even information that has been deleted. It also helps me understand their feedback if I’ve had a little bit of time to digest the finished manuscript.
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It’s the same for me, Kristin. My first drafts are for my eyes only. There are things I skip over, things that clearly don’t work. I don’t want to share those until I’ve reworked them.
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Did you tell the bookstore owner anything about your book? Genre? Something about the story? The title? Or nothing at all?
In other words, what did the bookstore owner have to take to the book club(s)?
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Ray,
I did tell the bookstore manager a bit about the story: I said it was literary fiction with an imbedded mystery. I think I told her the title as well, but I didn’t give too much information, just enough so she could think of which book club might be most appropriate to ask.
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Just today I was discussing with a friend about choosing a few readers for my manuscript once this draft is done. I know I want another writer to read it, to look for story structure issues and plot holes, but I also know I want someone who fits my audience to take a look at it as well. I love the idea of a book club. I’ll have to check into that.
Thanks for such a thought-provoking post!
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Christi,
If you do use a book club, I’d love to know how it works for you. It was certainly a great experience for me.
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Oh that sounds fantastic – even better would to have them discussing without knowing your in the room!
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Howlynn,
You’re right. The traditional focus group uses a one way mirror. That would work, but it wouldn’t fool a book club. I like Heather’s idea of hiring an actor to read aloud and sitting in the back incognito.
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Thanks for the idea and advice Brunonia. My poor writing friend has been reading my first draft, maybe I should rather have waited!
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Celia,
Sounds like a good friend. If you want more opinions, I suggest book clubs.
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I think that takes a lot of courage – to take your book and sit there in the room while readers dissect it. That is some serious dedication you’ve got going there. Even more so than letting professionals look at it, in many ways. But I can absolutely see how useful it must have been… must try it.
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Three words immediately came to mind when I read this: brave, courage, and guts. I’m so impressed!
I have been a professional writer (in business/technical writing) for a while, and I have sat through many meetings where people critique my work. Which has never been a problem at all. I’ve even been in fiction writers’ groups before. But the idea of sitting in a book group, of people I don’t know, and hearing comments out loud about my fiction–something from my heart–abjectly terrifies me.
And although I’ve had short stories published, and I assume people read them and maybe even discuss them, I wasn’t in the room when they did so. I’m going to give this some serious thought. Thanks for an intriguing idea!
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What an incredible idea! I would never have thought of this on my own, but you’re absolutely right. Who better?
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