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		<title>By: Friday Clickfest &#171;</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2010/04/20/a-necessary-torment/#comment-133356</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Clickfest &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Writers Unboxed reminds us that we can&#8217;t coddle our fictional friends &#8212; without tormenting our characters we&#8217;ll never see them [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Writers Unboxed reminds us that we can&#8217;t coddle our fictional friends &#8212; without tormenting our characters we&#8217;ll never see them [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jan O'Hara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan O'Hara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I love the word &quot;torment.&quot; And this column is very on topic for me. I&#039;m dragging my heels at writing a tough scene, because while intellectually I know it&#039;s the right thing to do for the book, and a logical evolution given the plotline thus far, it&#039;s so hard. I actually contacted a writer I respect a few weeks ago about this. She&#039;s written some majorly angsty books in 1st person, and I wondered if it affected her the way it does me. She told me she has to remind herself often that yes, hero and heroine will get together; heroine will be all right, and yet it&#039;s still hard.

Just part of the process, I guess.
.-= Jan O&#039;Hara&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://cherrytart.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/prom-post/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Perplexed Prom-Parent Post, in Which I Don’t Discuss Writer Unboxed (Much)&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I love the word &#8220;torment.&#8221; And this column is very on topic for me. I&#8217;m dragging my heels at writing a tough scene, because while intellectually I know it&#8217;s the right thing to do for the book, and a logical evolution given the plotline thus far, it&#8217;s so hard. I actually contacted a writer I respect a few weeks ago about this. She&#8217;s written some majorly angsty books in 1st person, and I wondered if it affected her the way it does me. She told me she has to remind herself often that yes, hero and heroine will get together; heroine will be all right, and yet it&#8217;s still hard.</p>
<p>Just part of the process, I guess.<br />
.-= Jan O&#8217;Hara&#180;s last blog ..<a  href="http://cherrytart.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/prom-post/" rel="nofollow">The Perplexed Prom-Parent Post, in Which I Don’t Discuss Writer Unboxed (Much)</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Therese Walsh</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2010/04/20/a-necessary-torment/#comment-132978</link>
		<dc:creator>Therese Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the great comments, guys!

Thea, mercury in retrograde. Should I bolt the doors? You&#039;re scaring me.

Kristen, what you said here: &lt;em&gt;don’t just pick something that would challenge A character, pick something that will devastate YOUR character. Push it to the limits. Then help them figure it out.&lt;/em&gt; YES, exactly. Torments custom-built for your characters.

Margo, I&#039;m so glad you bought the Maass books. They&#039;re  definitely ones I&#039;d want to grab in case of fire.

Tessa, characters who veer off plot are also normal. If you stick with it, they&#039;ll show you the story -- I really believe that. We&#039;re glad you&#039;re with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the great comments, guys!</p>
<p>Thea, mercury in retrograde. Should I bolt the doors? You&#8217;re scaring me.</p>
<p>Kristen, what you said here: <em>don’t just pick something that would challenge A character, pick something that will devastate YOUR character. Push it to the limits. Then help them figure it out.</em> YES, exactly. Torments custom-built for your characters.</p>
<p>Margo, I&#8217;m so glad you bought the Maass books. They&#8217;re  definitely ones I&#8217;d want to grab in case of fire.</p>
<p>Tessa, characters who veer off plot are also normal. If you stick with it, they&#8217;ll show you the story &#8212; I really believe that. We&#8217;re glad you&#8217;re with us.</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa Conte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tessa Conte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say I love this blog. All the things that cross my mind, and I find out other people have similar problems...and maybe even solutions. 

I&#039;d like to say I&#039;m a writer, too, and have a great strategy to offer, but I&#039;m not. I want to be, though. 

So I thought I&#039;d just say thank you. Perhaps someday I&#039;ll even manage to finish a book...short story...anything...myself. 

ps. I find the characters for those stories I try to get on paper have this annoying tendency to develop a life of their own... they do things like decide not to follow the plot line, develop love interests in the most inconvenient places and similar nonesense. But hey, I guess I just don&#039;t know what I want to write...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say I love this blog. All the things that cross my mind, and I find out other people have similar problems&#8230;and maybe even solutions. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to say I&#8217;m a writer, too, and have a great strategy to offer, but I&#8217;m not. I want to be, though. </p>
<p>So I thought I&#8217;d just say thank you. Perhaps someday I&#8217;ll even manage to finish a book&#8230;short story&#8230;anything&#8230;myself. </p>
<p>ps. I find the characters for those stories I try to get on paper have this annoying tendency to develop a life of their own&#8230; they do things like decide not to follow the plot line, develop love interests in the most inconvenient places and similar nonesense. But hey, I guess I just don&#8217;t know what I want to write&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Margo Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margo Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I&#039;ve been working on improving the depth of my characters, and Donald Maass&#039; books have been a HUGE help. After reading his most recent post, I went and purchased two of his books. Money well spent.
.-= Margo Kelly&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://margokelly.blogspot.com/2010/04/who-influences-our-children.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Who influences our children?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I&#8217;ve been working on improving the depth of my characters, and Donald Maass&#8217; books have been a HUGE help. After reading his most recent post, I went and purchased two of his books. Money well spent.<br />
.-= Margo Kelly&#180;s last blog ..<a  href="http://margokelly.blogspot.com/2010/04/who-influences-our-children.html" rel="nofollow">Who influences our children?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Odell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Odell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another ploy -- let them have what they want, but make the consequences create yet another problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another ploy &#8212; let them have what they want, but make the consequences create yet another problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Gutierrez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Gutierrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope things turn around for you. 

I make them suffer, then I bring them in out of the hurricane.

Greg Gutierrez
Zen and the Art of Surfing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope things turn around for you. </p>
<p>I make them suffer, then I bring them in out of the hurricane.</p>
<p>Greg Gutierrez<br />
Zen and the Art of Surfing</p>
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		<title>By: thea</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ter, mercury is in retrograde. just sayin.  great post - i, too, realized i wasn&#039;t making my characters work harder for the money. in real life, i do have a hard time with this. i&#039;m not the type of person who makes every effort to find out what someone wants, then goes out of my way to make sure they don&#039;t get it.  but i know people like that. and i know how i&#039;ve experienced that. this is really interesting.  hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ter, mercury is in retrograde. just sayin.  great post &#8211; i, too, realized i wasn&#8217;t making my characters work harder for the money. in real life, i do have a hard time with this. i&#8217;m not the type of person who makes every effort to find out what someone wants, then goes out of my way to make sure they don&#8217;t get it.  but i know people like that. and i know how i&#8217;ve experienced that. this is really interesting.  hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t just toss any old terror at your characters, though; hone in on their personal fears and weaknesses.&quot;

I think that&#039;s the key. That was what I was missing, and what Donald Maass&#039; recent part 2 post on &quot;awe&quot; helped me see. He asked what the character believes most, and then told us to force them to see the opposite side. That&#039;s similar to what you&#039;re saying here, I think: don&#039;t just pick something that would challenge A character, pick something that will devastate YOUR character. Push it to the limits. Then help them figure it out. That&#039;s story, that&#039;s character arc, that&#039;s fun.

Even when it&#039;s not so fun. :P
.-= Kristan&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/kristanhoffman/~3/sZYjLVlmH-A/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Author Interview: Todd Newton, Part 2&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t just toss any old terror at your characters, though; hone in on their personal fears and weaknesses.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the key. That was what I was missing, and what Donald Maass&#8217; recent part 2 post on &#8220;awe&#8221; helped me see. He asked what the character believes most, and then told us to force them to see the opposite side. That&#8217;s similar to what you&#8217;re saying here, I think: don&#8217;t just pick something that would challenge A character, pick something that will devastate YOUR character. Push it to the limits. Then help them figure it out. That&#8217;s story, that&#8217;s character arc, that&#8217;s fun.</p>
<p>Even when it&#8217;s not so fun. :P<br />
.-= Kristan&#180;s last blog ..<a  href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/kristanhoffman/~3/sZYjLVlmH-A/" rel="nofollow">Author Interview: Todd Newton, Part 2</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca @ Diary of a Virgin Novelist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca @ Diary of a Virgin Novelist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the opposite problem in that I am too mean to them!  So I really struggle with the growth part for my characters and showing positive changes.
.-= Rebecca @ Diary of a Virgin Novelist&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://virginnovelist.blogspot.com/2009/04/this-is-how-much-i-love-writing.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is how much I love writing&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the opposite problem in that I am too mean to them!  So I really struggle with the growth part for my characters and showing positive changes.<br />
.-= Rebecca @ Diary of a Virgin Novelist&#180;s last blog ..<a  href="http://virginnovelist.blogspot.com/2009/04/this-is-how-much-i-love-writing.html" rel="nofollow">This is how much I love writing</a> =-.</p>
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