How to Survive a Critique…and More: Let’s Talk Troubleshooting
Guest on Jan 26 2010 | Filed under: REAL WORLD
Today’s guest blogger is Becky Levine, author of The Writing & Critique Group Survival Guide: How to Give and Receive Feedback, Self-Edit, and Make Revisions, a new, comprehensive book about the critiquing experience published by Writer’s Digest Books. Becky’s with us today to tell us more about surviving critique — because, yeah, who hasn’t experienced–and wish they knew how better to handle–caustic critique? And how many of us have “handled it” by not saying anything at all? Here’s another alternative. Plus, comment on this post for a chance to win either an actual or virtual (PDF) copy of Becky’s book!
Becky, we’re thrilled to have you with us. Take it away!
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How to Survive a Critique…and More: Let’s Talk Troubleshooting
In my book, The Writing & Critique Group Survival Guide, I’ve got a chapter about troubleshooting. It’s toward the end of the book, after chapters on getting started and staying organized and learning some tools and tricks about critiquing. It’s at the end, because—yes, even after you’re an experienced critiquer, even after you’ve participated in a group for a few years, you can still run across problems. Groups are made of people, and people interact—not always as smoothly as we’d like.
The important thing is, I think, to catch these problems before they become, well…big problems. Most of us are nice people; as writers, we struggle enough having to make bad things happen to our characters. We don’t like to complain, we don’t really want to nag, and we are not at all happy with serious confrontations. But if you don’t talk about something, guess what? It’s not going away.
Here are some common situations that can make critique partners uncomfortable, unhappy, and—if not dealt with soon enough—angry:
• A critiquer pushing a writer (too hard or too frequently) to seriously change the direction or meaning of the writer’s book
• A writer dismissing (out loud!) a critiquer’s suggestion
• A writer resubmitting chapters multiple times, without weaving in much, or any, of the critique feedback they’ve received
• A critique-group member who isn’t critiquing or being critiqued, but who also aren’t paying attention to the discussion
• A critiquer who only skims the surface of submissions, catching missing commas, but not addressing bigger issues like plot and character
If you’ve been in a critique group, I’m willing to bet you’ve seen at least one of these scenarios. You may very well have been directly involved. We all have. The groups that not only survive these dynamics, though, but thrive through them, are the ones in which the members recognize and address the tensions before they get too high.
If you’re not happy with the way someone is critiquing your work, tell them. Don’t turn the conversation into an attack, and don’t assume the critiquer is being too harsh (or too easy) on purpose. Be clear about your own goals for your project, and talk about the kind of critique that is the most helpful to you. You can do this at the meeting, or in private—use your judgment about which way will be the most comfortable, and most productive. Be polite and respectful about the effort the critiquer has put into their work, just as you want them to be respectful of yours.
If you’re on the other side of the table, if someone comes to you with a complaint or a suggestion about the way you’re critiquing, take a breath and listen. Try not to go instantly into defensive mode. It wasn’t easy for the writer to approach you, but they’re on the path toward doing the right thing…resolving a problem before it goes too far. If you don’t understand what the writer wants you to do differently, ask questions—brainstorm. Work on this together, and the odds are good that you’ll both go back to group happier…and do better critiquing and writing.
The basis of a strong critique group is trust, but trust doesn’t appear magically or instantly the moment a group forms, or a new member joins. Like everything else, trust requires time and energy. When a group’s members work together toward that trust, they’ll find themselves with a group that grows as they do, that has the flexibility and strength to last through all the changes the writers themselves will go through. A goal worth achieving, I think.
Thanks so much, Becky, for a great post.
Readers, you can learn more about Becky’s book, The Writing & Critique Group Survival Guide: How to Give and Receive Feedback, Self-Edit, and Make Revisions, on her website or directly through the Writer’s Digest store. Don’t forget to leave a comment below for a chance to win a copy of the book (eligible entries left between now and this Friday at noon). Write on!






















Great post! It’s handy having both sides of critiquing presented, as both writer & critiquer need to know what’s expected of them so that they can each get as much as possible out of the interaction.
Merry
.-= Merry´s last blog ..Melting at last! =-.
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Aagh! I am being critiqued by a new group for the first time tomorrow night – and I am the first critique for the group in general as we are a new group. I am beyond nervous. I will try to keep this article in mind tomorrow but I’m sure it will be all I can do to just not run from the room screaming!
.-= Rebecca´s last blog ..Maybe the truth doesn’t have to hurt? =-.
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Good luck, Rebecca! I’m sure it will go fine. :)
.-= Kristan´s last blog ..All part of the process =-.
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Thanks for that excellent information. It’s always a struggle for me when I critique someone’s work if I don’t know what they are looking for–basic editiing or plot flow–so I tend to do a bit of both, but feel guilty when I suggest something drastic (like rearranging entire sections for flow). Obviuosly, setting the parameters early would help! Same thing when others are generous enough to look at my work–I’ll have to be sure to give clear “instructions” for what I’m looking so they’re not in the same position that I am. Thanks again for the great info!
.-= Jennifer Bailey´s last blog ..Beta Reading a Manuscript =-.
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I have been thinking about joining a group, but wasn’t sure what to expect. This post really helped give me an idea of proper etiquette for a group.
.-= Janel´s last blog ..Switching Gears =-.
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Thanks, Kristan!
I agree that instructions can help but I also think there can be value in the no instructions read through. What jumped out to the reader as working or not? Plot, character development, language, flow? When people don’t have any guidance sometimes what they hone in on can be incredibly insightful. Or, a complete disaster. ;)
.-= Rebecca´s last blog ..Finding Your Passion or Am I Even On The Right Track? =-.
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This topic is always fun, isn’t it? Haha.
Great post! Excellent tips. :)
.-= Lydia Sharp´s last blog ..Book Review: Small Miracles by Edward M. Lerner =-.
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Just stopping in for a minute to say tx for all the comments. Rebecca-good luck. You’ll dp great!
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Interesting post, made me start considering joining a critique group… although at first it would be nice to have something worth being critiqued :D
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I’m not currently involved in a critique group, but I found your post – and the subject of your book – applies to my current job as a Marketer as much as to writing: situations can often become tenuous between the clients and the creatives/copywriters I moderate and subjective opinions abound, so I’m really looking forward to reading this book to inspire good critique-handling skills for all aspects of my life!
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Thanks for the tips. Receiving critique and giving it has always been a struggle for me, but when it’s honest it makes the world of difference.
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I agree with this post. It’s so helpful to know what the writer is looking for in a critique. But at the same time, I tend to still go into my reading ignoring the writer’s instructions. I want to catch those things that trip me up or jump out of me as I’m reading. If it’s something major, I feel I need to tell the writer. I’ll still answer the questions they were looking for answer to, but I’ll also offer up those unsolicited comments if I feel they’re open to them.
This book is a great idea. I don’t think a lot of writers realize how important the ability to critique is and how different a skill it can be from writing. I’m looking forward to reading it.
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Thanks for the post, Becky. I’ve seen a significant difference in online “anonymous” critiques and in-person critiques and wonder if you have noticed this yourself or address it in your book?
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Respectful communication on both sides is the key, I find. It took me a while, but I finally found two people who are open, honest and skilled. Outside my marriage, I can’t think of any place I feel safer to be human and take risks.
Trust me, I know they’re worth their weight in hazelnut truffles.
Any guide that can help people find that kind of group sooner is a good thing, IMHO.
.-= hope101´s last blog ..Life-Long Learner =-.
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i’ve been in great groups and i’ve witnessed disasters! critiquing is hard – and being critiqued can be nerve-wracking. but it is what this business is all about. might as well gird the loins! but a good critique partner – worth their weight in gold.
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I really wish I could get into a critique group. I think it would be hard, I would cry but my writing would ultimately improve because of it. There are some very talented writers in my region (i.e. Silas House lives in the community where I work, a very small rural area) but if there is a writing group of any form I’ve heard nothing about it.
Group dynamics and communication can always become problematic, it’s good to include a set of tools in any guide that helps navigate those situations.
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Thanks for this post! I was attending a critique group for a while but it wasn’t working out for me: there were 30+ women at each session and the comments were often quite brutal and hurtful. I am contemplating creating my own critiquing group of a much smaller size and I think the things you’ve discussed in your post will be helpful guidelines for establishing the group.
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Very timely post. I just started a critique group over the weekend. We’re six writers originally from a much larger online group. We decided to start are on group exactly for one of the reasons she wrote about: to address the big issues like plot and character.
We haven’t submitted anything yet. Right now we’re trying to hammer down all the details of how we want to group to work and so far we’ve had some interesting discussions of why we’ve decided to keep the group small, how often to submit, whether we can submit other types of writing, and because we’re online whether we should stick to plain text or use MSWord for our submissions (some of us like MSWord’s comment tool, makes critiquing much easier).
I love the idea of this book and I’m going to write to my group right now and let them know about it.
.-= Rebeca´s last blog ..Mind Mapping =-.
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I am new to this, just recently submitted an article for publication. I asked anyone who would read my article to critique me. It was hard, but necessary.
It is a yin yang process; I am thankful, those who did give me the truth, also gave me positive feedback as well. I took it like a pro..I think.
I didn’t argue…much. LOL
.-= Ellen´s last blog ..Brace Yourself =-.
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Thanks to everyone for commenting. LisaP, I’m not sure what you mean by anonymous critiques…Nikkianne, I know there are online forums where many people exchange critiqies, with everyone picking a few others to crit, but I think 4-6 people is a good number for a group where everybody’s critiquing everyone else. People need time to put thought into their crits, AND they need time to write. :)
.-= Becky Levine´s last blog ..The Brilliance of Point of View in Jennifer R. Hubbard’s The Secret Year =-.
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I belong to both an online and a face to face critique group. My best advice…after each critique, say thank you, make notes as you feel you need and then once back home, figure out if you agree/will make changes or disagree/leave it for each critique given.
In my experience, it can be hard to accept critique, but those writers who do (at least appear to on the surface), will get more honest critiques the next time. One lady in my f2f group argues with every critique that is anything but glowing…and my group is pretty gentle. As a result, no one really gives her the honest critique she needs any more. We’re just tired of being argued with.
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What a great topic. I am always at a loss when offering to critique others works. I knew whether I liked it or not but the specific terms to help them make it better eluded me. This book is just what I need worksheets and all.
I am in an ongoing group that this would be great for. We’ve been helping each other for over 10 years.
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Thanks for this, Becky. I’ve been on the wrong end of a critique with a crit partner who wanted to give me line-by-line edits (which, I found, often removed my voice from the story) when all I wanted was an overview of plot, characterts, etc. In reading this, I realise I probably didn’t vocalise that clearly enough.
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I’m a member of a state-wide writer’s workshop, South Carolina Writer’s Workshop, and am so happy to have found the group. We do have some members who bring material with the same mistakes again and again, wasting a lot of their time and ours. Also, we have some critiquers who don’t know what to say and so don’t say much. The ones to watch out for, though, are the ones with nothing to say but who won’t shut up! Too bad pinching isn’t allowed!
Thanks for the blog on this subject! A good critique group is a wonderful thing.
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I lost two years as a result of poor critiquing from a guy who worked with me, and had invited me to the critiq
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Sorry, Becky, I should have been clearer. I tend to see people giving harsher critiques online to a “stranger” than that same person would give face-to-face, and was wondering if you had experienced that as well?
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LisaP, I see what you mean. I honestly think it depends on the person–I’ve received incredibly kind (and THOROUGH) critiques online and gotten the harsh, not so thorough ones from an in-person critique. And the other way around. What you want is the mutual respect between critiquer and writer that’s going to benefit everybody’s writing!
.-= Becky Levine´s last blog ..The Brilliance of Point of View in Jennifer R. Hubbard’s The Secret Year =-.
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Thanks for all the great comments, everyone. Using a Random Number Generator program, I just chose the lucky winner of Becky’s book: #7 — Lydia Sharp! Congrats, Lydia! Becky and I will be in touch with you directly.
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My pet peeve is the writer who submits the same material repeatedly without making any substantial changes–particularly when substantial changes are exactly what his critique group is suggesting. My rule of thumb is that if one person comments on something, it could just be personal preference; when two people comment on it, it might be worth taking a second look at; but when everybody is commenting on it, it could definitely be a problem. Thanks for the post!
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Many parts of my novel have been critiqued many times, by many different people in the past year, and have received some excellent feedback that has, I think, improved the book.
However, I haven’t yet been given any really harsh comments. This worries me – is there some karmic vat that is filling with vitriol and cutting comment at this very moment, soon to overflow and drown me? Augh!
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