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	<title>Comments on: What Happens to an Unboxed Query?</title>
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		<title>by: thea mcginnis</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61821</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61821</guid>
					<description>i will read your book - will download when i get home since i'm out of town using another computer.</description>
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		<title>by: Ray Rhamey</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61781</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61781</guid>
					<description>Thea, you raise an interesting point. In the query letter, I do talk about "problems with lethal firearms," and I mention the terrible shootings in Illinois, so one might assume that I'm against them. But I don't specifically say so.

But it's not that simple, in life or in my book. To get lethal weapons out of our lives, which I'm for, we still have to deal with the millions of people who believe in a right to bear arms for defense and sport. And I see a clear need for self-defense against attackers, rapists, etc., especially for women.

Well, my book deals with all of the aspects of the problem, including carrying personal weapons for self-defense. Hey, read the book and tell me what you think.

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thea, you raise an interesting point. In the query letter, I do talk about &#8220;problems with lethal firearms,&#8221; and I mention the terrible shootings in Illinois, so one might assume that I&#8217;m against them. But I don&#8217;t specifically say so.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not that simple, in life or in my book. To get lethal weapons out of our lives, which I&#8217;m for, we still have to deal with the millions of people who believe in a right to bear arms for defense and sport. And I see a clear need for self-defense against attackers, rapists, etc., especially for women.</p>
<p>Well, my book deals with all of the aspects of the problem, including carrying personal weapons for self-defense. Hey, read the book and tell me what you think.</p>
<p>Thanks again.
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		<title>by: thea mcginnis</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61775</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61775</guid>
					<description>ray, without downloading your book, i'm not really sure if you are for or against carrying personal weapons.  and i think that might be what is missing from your query letter.  human nature being what it is, most people are lazy and unless they have a personal interest, won't bite.  so tell them right up front where you stand and why they'd want to be with you on this deal.  also, you might want to consider enlisting the aid of a big name, like tom clancy or stephen king (their writing has a lot of voice when it comes to weapons and violence) - getting that kind of support would really help your cause, especially since it is not commercially inspired.  anyway, i like what you are trying to accomplish so go for it.  and if you're going for it, go big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ray, without downloading your book, i&#8217;m not really sure if you are for or against carrying personal weapons.  and i think that might be what is missing from your query letter.  human nature being what it is, most people are lazy and unless they have a personal interest, won&#8217;t bite.  so tell them right up front where you stand and why they&#8217;d want to be with you on this deal.  also, you might want to consider enlisting the aid of a big name, like tom clancy or stephen king (their writing has a lot of voice when it comes to weapons and violence) - getting that kind of support would really help your cause, especially since it is not commercially inspired.  anyway, i like what you are trying to accomplish so go for it.  and if you&#8217;re going for it, go big.
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		<title>by: Colleen Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61743</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61743</guid>
					<description>Hey there, Ray -

I'll take a look at your query and the first fifty pages if you want to submit to me as a Word doc to to the email above.

Best,

Colleen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, Ray -</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take a look at your query and the first fifty pages if you want to submit to me as a Word doc to to the email above.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Colleen
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		<title>by: Ray Rhamey</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61626</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61626</guid>
					<description>Suzanne, thanks for your thought. Ordinarily, I'd agree with you--you would approve of the previous query letters for this book. 

But there are a couple of factors that I think make this a better approach than the traditional.

1. I had some kind of relationship with these agents, some more than others. Several had read a couple of examples of my work and, based on the strengths they saw, have been open to dialogue now and then. One has even recommended me to three other agents. 

2. Actually, the query is self-screening--I don't want an agent to ask for the manuscript for customary reasons because I don't think that the story side of it will be perceived as sufficiently commercial. I want an agent who is interested in a work of fiction that has a different level of depth, and who have sympathy with the cause.

I don't need to hire an agent, I need to *enlist* one.

Hey, one agent did ask for it, and the others won't be wasting my postage or their time. I have a chance, and that's what the letter was supposed to get me.

Best, Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne, thanks for your thought. Ordinarily, I&#8217;d agree with you&#8211;you would approve of the previous query letters for this book. </p>
<p>But there are a couple of factors that I think make this a better approach than the traditional.</p>
<p>1. I had some kind of relationship with these agents, some more than others. Several had read a couple of examples of my work and, based on the strengths they saw, have been open to dialogue now and then. One has even recommended me to three other agents. </p>
<p>2. Actually, the query is self-screening&#8211;I don&#8217;t want an agent to ask for the manuscript for customary reasons because I don&#8217;t think that the story side of it will be perceived as sufficiently commercial. I want an agent who is interested in a work of fiction that has a different level of depth, and who have sympathy with the cause.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need to hire an agent, I need to *enlist* one.</p>
<p>Hey, one agent did ask for it, and the others won&#8217;t be wasting my postage or their time. I have a chance, and that&#8217;s what the letter was supposed to get me.</p>
<p>Best, Ray
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		<title>by: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61615</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61615</guid>
					<description>sorry, my last comment included an URL that no longer links to my blog....this one works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, my last comment included an URL that no longer links to my blog&#8230;.this one works.
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		<title>by: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61614</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61614</guid>
					<description>Ray, 

I applaud your passion for your book and its message. I also appreciate your desire to give it away, and I'm sure you have, or are, exploring venues to getting the book out there.

Your query letter, however, needs to be tightened up. It reads like a protracted advertisement rather than a pitch. 

Assuming that a query will get all of 30 seconds viewing, I suggest you try stating the premise or message of the book in the first paragraph, perhaps as bullet points or in the form of an open ended question. 

Either way, give the agents a reason to ask for the manuscript.

Thank you for sharing your efforts to get this book published, 

-suzanne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, </p>
<p>I applaud your passion for your book and its message. I also appreciate your desire to give it away, and I&#8217;m sure you have, or are, exploring venues to getting the book out there.</p>
<p>Your query letter, however, needs to be tightened up. It reads like a protracted advertisement rather than a pitch. </p>
<p>Assuming that a query will get all of 30 seconds viewing, I suggest you try stating the premise or message of the book in the first paragraph, perhaps as bullet points or in the form of an open ended question. </p>
<p>Either way, give the agents a reason to ask for the manuscript.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your efforts to get this book published, </p>
<p>-suzanne.
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		<title>by: Ray Rhamey</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61571</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61571</guid>
					<description>Dave,

I have not lightly entered into this enterprise. I've been working on this project for over 8 years.

Careful thought was given to the other kinds of outlets that you suggest. Without reading the book that you have prejudged, you might not understand that such an approach, in my view, will not get the job done. While you may think that other media would be better suited than a book, unless you have some knowledge of the scope and nature of what I propose, you have no way to understand how inadequate media other than a book are.

Ideas just put out there in a nonfiction way are intellectual in nature, abstract. My feeling is that what I propose needs to also be "felt" in order to be thought about in a truly understanding, comprehensive way.

So I wrote a novel and wove the ideas in so that people can try them on for size. The book deals with other social ills than guns. It's not a simple-minded, in-your-face, didactic diatribe. And the novel is a good, solid suspense read without paying attention to the ideas.

It's unfortunate that your particular filters caused you to react in such a way. As for the agents, I only contacted those who "know" me to some extent. Eleven of them. I did not flood 100 agents with a sensational, can't-you-see-how-important-this-is approach.

You assume a diatribe, not a dialogue. You are wrong. If you want dialogue, you might have tried having one with me before posting your accusations and assumptions. You might have downloaded the PDF of the novel and read a few pages. You might have emailed me with your thoughts.

Many, many, many writers have written to me to thank me for the contributions I make to their work on Flogging the Quill (which you will no longer be reading). I do not charge for this. (Interestingly, since I added a donate button about a month ago, generous writers have given almost $300.) I contribute to their professional development in my own modest way.

I cannot see why someone who does that should automatically be seen to be exploiting an issue with a diatribe. If you've read my blog to any degree, I don't think you'll see a hint of that kind of personality.

Here's a thought to leave you with: you get what you give.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I have not lightly entered into this enterprise. I&#8217;ve been working on this project for over 8 years.</p>
<p>Careful thought was given to the other kinds of outlets that you suggest. Without reading the book that you have prejudged, you might not understand that such an approach, in my view, will not get the job done. While you may think that other media would be better suited than a book, unless you have some knowledge of the scope and nature of what I propose, you have no way to understand how inadequate media other than a book are.</p>
<p>Ideas just put out there in a nonfiction way are intellectual in nature, abstract. My feeling is that what I propose needs to also be &#8220;felt&#8221; in order to be thought about in a truly understanding, comprehensive way.</p>
<p>So I wrote a novel and wove the ideas in so that people can try them on for size. The book deals with other social ills than guns. It&#8217;s not a simple-minded, in-your-face, didactic diatribe. And the novel is a good, solid suspense read without paying attention to the ideas.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that your particular filters caused you to react in such a way. As for the agents, I only contacted those who &#8220;know&#8221; me to some extent. Eleven of them. I did not flood 100 agents with a sensational, can&#8217;t-you-see-how-important-this-is approach.</p>
<p>You assume a diatribe, not a dialogue. You are wrong. If you want dialogue, you might have tried having one with me before posting your accusations and assumptions. You might have downloaded the PDF of the novel and read a few pages. You might have emailed me with your thoughts.</p>
<p>Many, many, many writers have written to me to thank me for the contributions I make to their work on Flogging the Quill (which you will no longer be reading). I do not charge for this. (Interestingly, since I added a donate button about a month ago, generous writers have given almost $300.) I contribute to their professional development in my own modest way.</p>
<p>I cannot see why someone who does that should automatically be seen to be exploiting an issue with a diatribe. If you&#8217;ve read my blog to any degree, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll see a hint of that kind of personality.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a thought to leave you with: you get what you give.
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		<title>by: Dave</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61563</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61563</guid>
					<description>Ray, 

First, I thought comments were moderated.
Second, I appologize. I didn't mean to say you were sensationalizing. Obviously, I should have edited more.

My first point was that you shouldn't be a surprise that you might deter agents because of the perception of sensationalizing and the can't-you-see-how-important-this-is approach.

My second point was that if it was really important to you, then other media would probably be better suited to getting your view known than a book.

Anyway, sorry. I wasn't lurking. But the manner in which you are pushing you book out sends up red flags for me. It causes me to assume a diatribe not a dialogue (however biased that assumption might be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, </p>
<p>First, I thought comments were moderated.<br />
Second, I appologize. I didn&#8217;t mean to say you were sensationalizing. Obviously, I should have edited more.</p>
<p>My first point was that you shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise that you might deter agents because of the perception of sensationalizing and the can&#8217;t-you-see-how-important-this-is approach.</p>
<p>My second point was that if it was really important to you, then other media would probably be better suited to getting your view known than a book.</p>
<p>Anyway, sorry. I wasn&#8217;t lurking. But the manner in which you are pushing you book out sends up red flags for me. It causes me to assume a diatribe not a dialogue (however biased that assumption might be).
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		<title>by: Cath</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61541</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61541</guid>
					<description>Hey Ray,
Did you ever see a Carol Burnett bit (yes, Carol Burnett, give it a chance) set in the future, somewhere, U.S.A. and everyone, I mean EVERYONE had guns? So just going to the store to buy a loaf a bread had Carol arming herself to the teeth.
 
I've thought about that skit often in light of recent events. Especially since I have two college kids and one to soon join their ranks. Heck yeah, it's an important issue and I applaud your efforts to get your book and discussion of the escalating gun violence phenomenon out there. So get yourself and your book on Facebook and network like crazy. Maybe try the Amazon Shorts program? Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ray,<br />
Did you ever see a Carol Burnett bit (yes, Carol Burnett, give it a chance) set in the future, somewhere, U.S.A. and everyone, I mean EVERYONE had guns? So just going to the store to buy a loaf a bread had Carol arming herself to the teeth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought about that skit often in light of recent events. Especially since I have two college kids and one to soon join their ranks. Heck yeah, it&#8217;s an important issue and I applaud your efforts to get your book and discussion of the escalating gun violence phenomenon out there. So get yourself and your book on Facebook and network like crazy. Maybe try the Amazon Shorts program? Good luck.
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		<title>by: Anthony S. Policastro</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61533</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61533</guid>
					<description>Hi Ray,
My hat's off to you for taking a stand on something you strongly believe in and in trying to make people aware of a significant problem.

As for the book, maybe you can POD publish it - Borders just teamed up with Lulu to offer POD publishing and editing to anyone with $499. They also agree to place copies in their stores. 

To take it a step further, perhaps you can go on speaking engagements at schools and organizations and offer your book for cost or direct the audience to your website to download the PDF for free. Just some ideas off the top of my head.

Lots of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ray,<br />
My hat&#8217;s off to you for taking a stand on something you strongly believe in and in trying to make people aware of a significant problem.</p>
<p>As for the book, maybe you can POD publish it - Borders just teamed up with Lulu to offer POD publishing and editing to anyone with $499. They also agree to place copies in their stores. </p>
<p>To take it a step further, perhaps you can go on speaking engagements at schools and organizations and offer your book for cost or direct the audience to your website to download the PDF for free. Just some ideas off the top of my head.</p>
<p>Lots of luck.
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		<title>by: Therese Walsh</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61523</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61523</guid>
					<description>Relevant to the point of the post... Did you catch the CNN headline this afternoon? "Utah students hide guns, head to class." Click &lt;a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/cnnu.guns/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relevant to the point of the post&#8230; Did you catch the CNN headline this afternoon? &#8220;Utah students hide guns, head to class.&#8221; Click <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/cnnu.guns/index.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>.
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		<title>by: Therese Walsh</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61508</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Shouldn’t you be targetting periodicals, (municipal and university) newspapers, and other forums that encourage a more timely effect.&lt;/i&gt;

This doesn't seem like a bad idea, honestly. Maybe this is something you can do to supplement your other efforts, Ray? In any case, I completely support your right to offer your story--for free--to the masses, and to speak about your passions on FtQ and WU and anywhere else you care to. Yours is a story with a message, and it's frustrating for you to have that message gathering e-dust in your Word folder on your harddrive. I get that. 

Best of luck getting your story out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Shouldn’t you be targetting periodicals, (municipal and university) newspapers, and other forums that encourage a more timely effect.</i></p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t seem like a bad idea, honestly. Maybe this is something you can do to supplement your other efforts, Ray? In any case, I completely support your right to offer your story&#8211;for free&#8211;to the masses, and to speak about your passions on FtQ and WU and anywhere else you care to. Yours is a story with a message, and it&#8217;s frustrating for you to have that message gathering e-dust in your Word folder on your harddrive. I get that. </p>
<p>Best of luck getting your story out!
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		<title>by: Ray Rhamey</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61503</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61503</guid>
					<description>Dave. 

Let me get this straight--because I believe I can contribute somehow to dealing with the lethal weapon problem, and that the key to that is in a novel of mine (not non-fiction articles), and I've been trying through conventional publishing paths for well over 5 years to get it out there (BTW, most readers really enjoy the novel side, too), you are accusing me of sensationalism and then sign off my blog.

You're welcome to sign off. I don't feel that, in my three years of blogging (all the time working to market this novel), that I've displayed a lack of integrity such as that.

In addition, before the most recent crisis, I was (and am still) engaged in getting proposals for the book to agents and publishers.

As for a year and a half before a book can come out, publishers can put out a book in weeks if they want to. And do you somehow think this problem is not going to still exist, and still be current in a year or two?

I resent the charge of sensationalism, and it is not true. If I wanted to be that way, I could have done the same thing at the time of the Virginia Tech shooting. I held my breath then, but this put me over the edge.

As I said in my appeal to agents, this is not about me getting published. In fact, if anyone takes me up on this, I will not accept an advance, but would ask that the funds be put toward promotion.

And I'm giving it away.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave. </p>
<p>Let me get this straight&#8211;because I believe I can contribute somehow to dealing with the lethal weapon problem, and that the key to that is in a novel of mine (not non-fiction articles), and I&#8217;ve been trying through conventional publishing paths for well over 5 years to get it out there (BTW, most readers really enjoy the novel side, too), you are accusing me of sensationalism and then sign off my blog.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome to sign off. I don&#8217;t feel that, in my three years of blogging (all the time working to market this novel), that I&#8217;ve displayed a lack of integrity such as that.</p>
<p>In addition, before the most recent crisis, I was (and am still) engaged in getting proposals for the book to agents and publishers.</p>
<p>As for a year and a half before a book can come out, publishers can put out a book in weeks if they want to. And do you somehow think this problem is not going to still exist, and still be current in a year or two?</p>
<p>I resent the charge of sensationalism, and it is not true. If I wanted to be that way, I could have done the same thing at the time of the Virginia Tech shooting. I held my breath then, but this put me over the edge.</p>
<p>As I said in my appeal to agents, this is not about me getting published. In fact, if anyone takes me up on this, I will not accept an advance, but would ask that the funds be put toward promotion.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m giving it away.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to help. What are you doing?
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		<title>by: Kathleen Bolton</title>
		<link>http://writerunboxed.com/2008/02/21/what-happens-to-an-unboxed-query/#comment-61497</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's a free book.  Why unsubscribe to his blog because of that, Dave?  If Ray wants to give it away with the hope that it might start a dialogue, why is that 'sensationalism'?  Maybe the project will die.  Maybe it'll go viral.  The point is, Ray is doing something he believes in with the intention of helping.  Why is that scary?

The unintentionally funny aspect of this is the robotic query reply by the agent (who apparently has their own blog too--the new media has become the old).  Obviously, that agent can only deal with cookie-cutter queries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a free book.  Why unsubscribe to his blog because of that, Dave?  If Ray wants to give it away with the hope that it might start a dialogue, why is that &#8217;sensationalism&#8217;?  Maybe the project will die.  Maybe it&#8217;ll go viral.  The point is, Ray is doing something he believes in with the intention of helping.  Why is that scary?</p>
<p>The unintentionally funny aspect of this is the robotic query reply by the agent (who apparently has their own blog too&#8211;the new media has become the old).  Obviously, that agent can only deal with cookie-cutter queries.
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